ADWD 10 Jon III

Wow this chapter was loaded with stuff I’ll be chewing on for a while. I love the tone of the whole thing. It’s like mystical high fantasy elements hiding behind a gritty low fantasy, day-in-the-miserable-life overtone. Exactly what I love about ASOIAF.
The most interesting part to me is the additional or alternate Azor Ahai story. It never comes up in AA theories that I’ve seen, but there’s no way it isn’t supposed to be a piece of the puzzle.
Lonely and lovely and lethal, Jon Snow reflected, and I might have had her. Her, and Winterfell, and my lord father’s name. Instead he had chosen a black cloak and a wall of ice. Instead he had chosen honor. A bastard’s sort of honor.

Jon and Val seems like a fanfic worth writing. Jon accepts Stannis’s offer and then Jon and Val have a sappy romantic ending. Start the gofundme.

I didn’t notice this on my first read through. It was pointed out to me much later. But Melisandre glamoured Rattleshirt to look like Mance and tricked him into the burning.

Inside his cage, Mance Rayder clawed at the noose about his neck with bound hands and screamed incoherently of treachery and witchery, denying his kingship, denying his people, denying his name, denying all that he had ever been. He shrieked for mercy and cursed the red woman and began to laugh hysterically.

I imagine Melisandre told Rattleshirt that the plan is to burn the real Mance and make Rattleshrit the leader of the wildlings, glamored as Mance.

And then Jon wonders what Val was feeling as she watched Mance kneel.

Next came Rattleshirt in clattering armor made of bones and boiled leather, his helm a giant’s skull. Under the bones lurked a ruined and wretched creature with cracked brown teeth and a yellow tinge to the whites of his eyes. A small, malicious, treacherous man, as stupid as he is cruel. Jon did not believe for a moment that he would keep faith. He wondered what Val was feeling as she watched him kneel, forgiven.

Which is ironic if Val is in on the secret, because then Val is feeling pretty good about it! Haha Because she knows that the Mance who’s being killed isn’t the real Mance, it’s Rattleshithead. And the Rattleshirt who’s joining her on the safe side of the Wall is really Mance.

He read the letter from the Shadow Tower again, sharpened a quill, and unstoppered a pot of thick black ink. He wrote two letters, the first to Ser Denys, the second to Cotter Pyke. Both of them had been hounding him for more men. Halder and Toad he dispatched west to the Shadow Tower, Grenn and Pyp to Eastwatch-by-the-Sea. The ink would not flow properly, and all his words seemed curt and crude and clumsy, yet he persisted.

This was pretty interesting. Earlier in the cafeteria or whatever it’s called, Toad and Pyp were being kind of insolent toward Jon. But Grenn stood up for Jon.

I looked up Halder. Halder is a friend to Jon too. He carved the wolf head hilt of Longclaw, and he was part of the group that brought Jon back to the Wall when Jon tried to desert the Watch.

So with this order, Jon is sending people away in groups of 1 friend + 1 foe, dividing his foes. But he’s also failing to surround himself with friends at this tense moment in his command. Maybe he’s trying to balance his friends and foes at each castle to reduce the risk of any individual castle organizing against him.

Protect the #I Stand By Daenerys Narrative!

“Some have only one great lie they tell so often that they almost come to believe it . . . though some small part of them will always know that it is still a lie, and that will show upon their faces.” -The Kindly Man (AFFC Arya II)

Before Season 8

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Thing That Happened – Emilia Clarke says “best season ever” strangely in a pre-season interview. [ET]
Protect the #IStandByDaenerys Narrative! – Emilia Clarke was trying to warn us that Season 8 is bad!
What Really Happened – Emilia Clarke was cryptically sharing an inside joke that Season 8 is tragic.

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Thing That Happened – When asked to describe Season 8 in one word, Kit Harington says “disappointing”, laughs, says “No, epic.” [1]
Protect the #IStandByDaenerys Narrative! – Kit was trying to warn us that Season 8 is bad!
What Really Happened – Kit was trying to answer the question while concealing that the ending is tragic. Noteably, disappointing + epic = tragic.

3

Thing That Happened – Emilia Clarke is asked to re-enact her expressions when she read the Season 8 script for the first time. She mimes surprise and vomiting. [youtube]
Protect the #IStandByDaenerys Narrative! – Video Description: “Emilia Clarke hinted that she wasn’t satisfied with this portrayal of the character.”
What Really Happened – Emilia Clarke: “They were like: ‘What are you asking us this for? What do you mean do I think Daenerys is a good person? Why are you asking us that question? Why do you care what people think of Daenerys? Are you okay?’”” [EW] Emilia Clarke has her identity tangled up in the character, and so a tragic ending for Daenerys was felt as a traumatic experience for her actress.

4

Thing That Happened – Sophie Turner says “I think a lot of fans will be disappointed and a lot of fans will be over the moon.” [IGN]
Protect the #IStandByDaenerys Narrative! – Sophie Turner tried to warn us that Season 8 is bad just like the other actors did!
What Really Happened – Sophie Turner correctly predicted a divided audience reaction.

5

Thing That Happened – Gwendoline Christie said “You’re going to need therapy. I think just the [fact that the] show [is] ending is going to send all of the world into professional help.” [E]
Protect the #IStandByDaenerys Narrative! – Gwendoline tried to warn us that the ending is bad!
What Really Happened – Headline: Counselors on Call to Give ‘Game of Thrones’ Fans Grief Therapy [nypost] Gwendoline Christie correctly predicted the fans’ denial – the second stage of grief after shock – and then redirected the statement toward a more generalized cause for fear of revealing too much.

6

Thing That Happened – Emilia Clarke meets her idol Beyonce, whose favorite character is Daenerys, and Emilia Clarke thinks “All I wanted to scream was ‘Please, please still like me even though my character turns into a mass-killing dictator! Please still think that I’m representing women in a really fabulous way.’” [Vulture]
Protect the #IStandByDaenerys Narrative! – We’re not upset that Dany went mad. We’re upset how Dany went mad.
What Really Happened – Emilia Clarke’s fears about Beyonce correctly predicted the audience backlash when Dany’s ending contradicts female power fantasies. Fans can’t erase the fact that they were surprised because everyone saw that they were surprised. So they have to move to the less extreme position that they’re upset about the details rather than The Big Thing That Happened.

7

Thing That Happened – Peter Dinklage said at the Emmy Awards “It’s going to be the greatest season of television you’ve ever seen. It’s true!” [Emmys]
Protect the #IStandByDaenerys Narrative! – He’s contractually obligated to say that!
What Really Happened – Peter Dinklage genuinely thought Season 8 would be great and he may or may not have been contractually obligated to say so.

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Thing That Happened – Maisie Williams said “But I do think that as the seasons have gone on, it’s become more and more amazing for women. And this final season is going to be incredible.”
Protect the #IStandByDaenerys Narrative! – Headline: Maisie Williams promises amazing Game of Thrones conclusion for women: ‘It’s going to be incredible’ [metro]
What Really Happened – Maisie Williams thought the story was a female power fantasy. But saying the season is going to be incredible is not necessarily the same thing as saying the season is going to be incredible for women. Additionally, saying the season is going to be incredible for women is not necessarily the same thing as saying it is going to be incredible for all women.

During Season 8

9

Thing That Happened – Season 8 happened.
Protect the #IStandByDaenerys Narrative! – Season 8 sucked.
What Really Happened – Season 8 sucked.

10

Thing That Happened – Dany burns King’s Landing.
Protect the #IStandByDaenerys Narrative! – It came out of nowhere!
What Really Happened – Live fan reactions: “No Dany don’t do it!” “Don’t do it!” “What are you gonna do?!” “Calm down.” [1]

After Season 8

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Thing That Happened – Kit Harington tells critics of Season 8 to “fuck themselves”. [Esquire]
Protect the #IStandByDaenerys Narrative! – He’s contractually obligated to defend it.
Protect the #IStandByDaenerys Narrative! – He was only talking about professional critics, not fans.
Protect the #IStandByDaenerys Narrative! – It’s his alcoholism talking. Get well soon, Kit.
What Really Happened – Kit Harington thought Season 8 was great and that the fan reaction was absurd.

12

Thing That Happened – Sophie Turner says the change.org petition is “disrespectful.” [nytimes]
Protect the #IStandByDaenerys Narrative! – Sophie Turner is contractually obligated to say that.
What Really Happened – Sophie Turner genuinely thinks the change.org petition is disrespectful.

13

Thing That Happened – After Season 8 Emilia Clarke says “The genocide was there. That was always going to happen.” [Vulture]
Protect the #IStandByDaenerys Narrative! – She’s contractually obligated to say that!
What Really Happened – Emilia Clarke is authentically defending that part of the story.

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Thing That Happened – Dany burned King’s Landing.
Protect the #IStandByDaenerys Narrative! – It came out of nowhere! [twitter]
Protect the #IStandByDaenerys Narrative! – Headline: Dany’s Predictable Fall To The Patriarchy [hbowatch]
What Really Happened – They thought the story was a female power fantasy, and now they’re pretending like they weren’t really surprised by moving away from the It-Came-Out-Of-Nowhere position – a position synonymous with surprise.

15

Thing That Happened – Emilia Clarke said she “felt for” Daenerys and was especially “annoyed” at how Jon Snow “didn’t have to deal with something? He got away with murder—literally.”
Protect the #IStandByDaenerys Narrative! – Headline: Emilia Clarke Was ‘Annoyed’ At Daenerys’s Demise In Game Of Thrones [Elle]
Protect the #IStandByDaenerys Narrative! – Headline: Emilia Clarke Feels Pretty Much the Same as You About Dany’s Ending on Game of Thrones [themarysue]
What Really Happened – Emilia Clarke was annoyed at Jon’s survival rather than Dany’s demise. Elle Magazine is misrepresenting what Emilia Clarke said to perpetuate a female power fantasy narrative, and the reason they’re doing it is because they thought the story was a female power fantasy.

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Thing That Happened – Nickolaj Coster-Waldau, Sophie Turner, Emilia Clarke, Kit Harington all express the sentiment that the reason the fans are upset is that they didn’t get the ending they wanted.

-Nickolaj Coster-Waldau: “Everyone wanted something specific and different from what they got.” [variety]

-Sophie Turner: “So Daenerys becoming something of the Mad Queen — it shouldn’t be such a negative thing for fans. It’s a shock for sure, but I think it’s just because it hasn’t gone their way.” [nytimes]

-Emilia Clarke: Caller: “and you’re not going to please everybody.” Clarke: “No. Exactly.” [BBCradio]

-Kit Harington: “I think it’s going to divide. But if you track her story all the way back, she does some terrible things. She crucifies people. She burns people alive. This has been building. So, we have to say to the audience: You’re in denial about this woman as well. You knew something was wrong. You’re culpable, you cheered her on.” [EW]

Protect the #IStandByDaenerys Narrative! – “No, it’s not that I didn’t get what I want. . . . That was just- I’m s- That was an abomination. [Green Hand]
What Really Happened – The fans thought the story was a female power fantasy. The actors saw that there was something wrong with the fans but couldn’t identify what is wrong because the actors also thought it was a female power fantasy.

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Thing That Happened – Nickolaj Coster-Waldau said “I almost wanted to donate to that petition.” [variety]
Protect the #IStandByDaenerys Narrative! – He thinks Season 8 was bad!
What Really Happened – Nickolaj Coster-Waldau expressed sympathy for those who support the petition but ultimately did not support the petition himself.
Protect the #IStandByDaenerys Narrative! – Because he’s contractually obligated not to!
What Really Happened – Or because he doesn’t think Season 8 was bad and his sympathetic comment is diplomacy to quell a clearly outraged audience.

People who saw through the fans’ insane bullshit

Kelsey L. Hayes [quora]

Sargon of Akkad [youtube]

People who are perpetuating the wack #IStandByDaenerys narratives

Lucifer means Lightbringer [1]

Quinn’s Ideas [1]

GrayArea [1]

Order Of The Green Hand [1]

The Dragon Demands [1]

Lindsay Ellis [1]

Why did almost everyone think Game of Thrones is a female power fantasy?

Feminism – The insistence that society is a corrupt oppressive patriarchy. AKA All men are evil and all women are good.

Marxism – The insistence that life is about power struggle. Results in the insistence that all hierarchies are corrupt. Results in the worship of victimhood.

Postmodernism – Skepticism of meta-narratives (overarching explanations). Results in the insistence that all interpretations of the world are equally valid or invalid, as suits the Marxist’s needs to justify a transfer of power, as suits the FeminiMarxist’s needs to justify a transfer of power from men to women. Results in the belief that art should be excavated to find which power group the artist is supporting or neglecting. Paradoxical when combined with marxism because “life is a power struggle” is itself a meta-narrative.  Paradoxical when combined with feminism because “society is a corrupt oppressive patriarchy” is itself a meta-narrative.

= Postmodern Marxist Feminism (PMF)

ASOIAF fans injected PMF into the story

[+PMF] Gender and ASOIAF: modern, historical or Westerosi sensibilities? [r/asoiaf]
Nominated for award by moderator mightyisobel.

[+PMF] A Song of Ice and Fire has a rape problem [tumblr]

[+PMF] Ladies Die in Childbed. No One Sings Songs About Them [tumblr]

GoT fans injected PMF into the story

[+PMF] How the Patriarchy Screwed the Starks [prospect] “The idea that patriarchal systems are universally damaging is, rhetorically, one of the most important for spreading many forms of feminism. Far too many men believe that feminism is an attempt to prop up women at men’s expense (the entire men’s rights movement hinges on that belief). ”

[+MF] Here’s What Sansa Has Learned From Cersei [thewrap]

[+MF] Fight Like a Lady: The Promotion of Feminism in Game of Thrones [winteriscoming]

[+MF] Game of Thrones has betrayed the women who made it great [guardian]

[+MF] Representative AOC & Senator Elizabeth Warren: “We were getting so close to having this ending with just women running the world.” [1]

GoT Producers injected PMF into the story

[+PMF] Season 3 Episode 3

Missandei: Valar morghulis.

Daenerys: Yes, all men must die. But we are not men.

Book 3 A Storm of Swords

“Valar morghulis,” said Missandei, in High Valyrian.

“All men must die,” Dany agreed, “but not for a long while, we may pray.”

[+MF] Cogman: “Daenerys is arguably the most easily identifiable and iconic. She is T-shirts and coffee mugs and posters and bobbleheads and memes and the name of hundreds of kids around the world with GoT fan parents; a fearless figure of female empowerment.” [EW]

[+PMF] Season 8 Episode 2

Sansa: Without Littlefinger and Ramsay and the rest, I would have stayed a Little Bird all my life.

Translation: Worship of victimhood. Victimhood is character progression and a qualification for power.

GoT cast injected PMF into the story

[+PMF] Gwendoline Christie: “She has no sexual experience and she decides to allow herself that opportunity. And I don’t think she’s a fool.” [people]

Translation: Women shouldn’t abstain from sex until marriage because virginity in a woman is an invalid trait for a man to desire.

[+MF] “But having said all of the things I’ve just said…” Clarke says. “I stand by Daenerys. I stand by her! I can’t not.” [EW]

Translation: Having been prodded to condemn Dany’s ending for the duration of an entire interview and every interview since the ending, Emilia Clarke feels like a traitor to women and kneels before the feminist mob.

The schools injected PMF into the population

[+PM] The Evergreen Equity Council [youtube]

[+PFM] Headline: We must stop indoctrinating boys in feminist ideology

“a school in Oxford has become the first to introduce “Good Lad” workshops, in which boys are singled out for sessions that teach them about “the scale of sexual harassment and violence aimed at female students” and how they must stand up for women’s rights….” [telegraph]

Translation: Society is a corrupt patriarchy and your boy is a corrupt patriarch.

[+PFM] “The Feminist Majority Foundation is dedicated to achieving civil rights for all people through **affirmative action** programs for people of color and women” [Feministorg]

Why you should destroy their bad ideas with little regard for their feelings

100,000,000 corpses [Jordan Peterson]

Why you should use minimal necessary force, forgive them and then leave them alone

The schools injected PMF into the population

Scraps

Emilia Clarke: “It’s not like she’s suddenly going to go, ‘Okay, I’m gonna put a kettle on and put cookies in the oven and we’ll just sit down and have a lovely time and pop a few kids out.’ That was never going to happen. She’s a Targaryen. “I thought she was going to die,” she continues. “I feel very taken care of as a character in that sense. It’s a very beautiful and touching ending.” [EW]

The mob will go after GRRM next: Headline: Game of Thrones’ George RR Martin accused of making racially and sexually insensitive comments at awards show [digitalspy]
Every apology to the mob is used as a trophy to induce fear into dissenters and gain power over the fearful.

How Feminists spend their time in r/DaenerysWinsTheThrone: “[Emilia Clarke] was showing off her dewy complexion by going without make-up for the outing while also showing off a hint of her chocolate hued locks.” [dailymail]

Why that isn’t healthy or helpful: Emilia Clarke: “They were like: ‘What are you asking us this for? What do you mean do I think Daenerys is a good person? Why are you asking us that question? Why do you care what people think of Daenerys? Are you okay?’”” [EW]

One Year Later: Headline: “I’m still not over it.”. [1]

Thing That Happened – Nicolaj Coster-Waldau said “if you’re a hardcore fan, it was really upsetting that it ended.”
What Really Happened – The cast noticed that fans don’t like the response that “You didn’t get the ending you wanted” so the cast moved to the more neutral and open-to-interpretation responses that “You’re never going to please everybody” and “People are understandably upset that the show is over.”

Scene to Scene S3E3 – Daenerys Acquires Missandei

Transcript of the video Scene to Scene S3E3 – Daenerys Acquires Missandei

Hello, and welcome to another installment of Scene to Scene, the series where I compare one scene in HBO’s Game of Thrones to the same scene in the novels, A Song of Ice and Fire by George R.R. Martin. To see what there is to see. If you haven’t seen the show and read the books, please, get outta here and go do it. I mean it.

Let’s start it off with Game of Thrones.

Missandei: They want the biggest one.

Daenerys: Done.

Kraznys: Done?

Daenerys: I’ll take you as well, now. You’ll be Master Kraznys’ gift to me. A token of a bargain well struck.

Missandei: She asks that you give me to her, as a present. She asks that you do this now.

Jorah: Khaleesi, a dragon is worth more than any army.

Barristan: Aegon Targaryen proved that.

Daenerys: You’re both here to advise me. I value your advice, but if you ever question me in front of strangers again, you’ll be advising someone else. Is that understood?

Daenerys: Do you have a name?

Missandei: This one’s name is Missandei, Your Grace.

Daenerys: Do you have a family? A mother and a father you’d return to if you had the choice?

Missandei: No, Your Grace. No family living.

Daenerys: You belong to me now. It is your duty to tell me the truth.

Missandei: Yes, Your Grace. Lying is a great offense. Many of those on the Walk of Punishment were taken there for less.

Daenerys: I offered water to one of the slaves dying on the Walk of Punishment. Do you know what he said to me? “Let me die.”

Missandei: There are no masters in the grave, Your Grace.

Daenerys: Is it true what Master Kraznys told me about the Unsullied? About their obedience?

Missandei: All questions have been taken from them. They obey, that is all. Once they are yours, they are yours. They will fall on their swords if you command it.

Daenerys: And what about you? You know that I’m taking you to war. You may go hungry. You may fall sick. You may be killed.

Missandei: Valar morghulis.

Daenerys: Yes, all men must die. But we are not men.

Alright. Now here’s the same scene from A Song of Ice and Fire.

“The Unsullied will learn your savage tongue quick enough,” added Kraznys mo Nakloz, when all the arrangements had been made, “but until such time you will need a slave to speak to them. Take this one as our gift to you, a token of a bargain well struck.”

“I shall,” said Dany.

The slave girl rendered his words to her, and hers to him. If she had feelings about being given for a token, she took care not to let them show.

(…)

Yet down in the Plaza of Pride, standing on the hot red bricks between the slavers’ pyramid and the barracks of the eunuchs, Dany turned on the old man. “Whitebeard,” she said, “I want your counsel, and you should never fear to speak your mind with me … when we are alone. But never question me in front of strangers. Is that understood?”

“Yes, Your Grace,” he said unhappily.

“I am not a child,” she told him. “I am a queen.”

“Yet even queens can err. The Astapori have cheated you, Your Grace. A dragon is worth more than any army. Aegon proved that three hundred years ago, upon the Field of Fire.”

“I know what Aegon proved. I mean to prove a few things of my own.” Dany turned away from him, to the slave girl standing meekly beside her litter. “Do you have a name, or must you draw a new one every day from some barrel?”

“That is only for Unsullied,” the girl said. Then she realized the question had been asked in High Valyrian. Her eyes went wide. “Oh.”

“Your name is Oh?”

“No. Your Grace, forgive this one her outburst. Your slave’s name is Missandei, but …”

“Missandei is no longer a slave. I free you, from this instant. Come ride with me in the litter, I wish to talk.” Rakharo helped them in, and Dany drew the curtains shut against the dust and heat. “If you stay with me you will serve as one of my handmaids,” she said as they set off. “I shall keep you by my side to speak for me as you spoke for Kraznys. But you may leave my service whenever you choose, if you have father or mother you would sooner return to.”

“This one will stay,” the girl said. “This one … I … there is no place for me to go. This … I will serve you, gladly.”

“I can give you freedom, but not safety,” Dany warned. “I have a world to cross and wars to fight. You may go hungry. You may grow sick. You may be killed.”

Valar morghulis,” said Missandei, in High Valyrian.

“All men must die,” Dany agreed, “but not for a long while, we may pray.” She leaned back on the pillows and took the girl’s hand. “Are these Unsullied truly fearless?”

“Yes, Your Grace.” (ASOS Daenerys III)

That’s enough. Okay. In the books, Missandei is ten years old. She’s a child, so she has a child’s perspective and fears.

The format of the chapter in which this scene takes place is that Dany is acting strangely and the reader very slowly develops an understanding of why. Dany’s true intentions are subtly telegraphed in the relationship between the scenes. Here’s an example. Dany agrees to trade a dragon, which seems like something she would never do. But she’s doing it. And then she frees Missandei from slavery immediately, which does seem like something Dany would do. And then she seems to be asking Missandei about the quality of the slaves that she just bought, which seems out of character again.

But when I put it all together after the fact, I can see that the out-of-character parts only seemed out of character because they were more in-character than I ever imagined. Dany wants to set all the slaves free, like she did for Missandei. And she isn’t asking about the Unsullied so that she can judge their quality, she’s asking so that she can figure out if they will obey her commands immediately when she turns them against their former masters.

So the part where Dany frees Missandei, in the books, is a clue that Dany hasn’t lost her mind and she’s up to something. So I think that’s what the show wanted to reproduce. And I think they got it. Dany’s plan surprised me anyway.

Dany doesn’t free Missandei in the TV show version, so that clue isn’t there. She tells Missandei “You belong to me now.”

Daenerys: You belong to me now. It is your duty to tell me the truth

So the writers kinda went the other way on that one. But maybe the clue wasn’t needed, because there were other clues like this. I could go either way on it, so I probably wouldn’t have changed it from the books. I think the writers had too tight of a grip on information sometimes, especially regarding surprises, and I think this is one instance of that.

Daenerys is trading a dragon, and even though 8000 Unsullied is a lot, a dragon in a world with only three dragons is priceless. So the deal is still pretty lop-sided. In the show, Dany leverages that to demand that Missandei be given to her as a gift. In the books, Kraznys offers up Missandei. It’s a small change that seems meant to make Dany more of a badass. Which it does. Though it does remove a generous deed from Kraznys, which makes him a little more one-dimensional.

In both the show and the books, Dany reprimands Jorah and Barristan for contradicting her in front of strangers, and she warns them to never do it again. And Dany’s warning here is the reason it’s pretty brave when Barristan throws a flagon of water on the Yunkish envoy later in the books.

Missandei tells Dany that she has no family living. And she doesn’t say that in the books because she does have family living. Missandei has three older brothers. And all three of them are in the Unsullied that Dany just bought.

So it kind of changes the context of Missandei’s decision to stay with Daenerys. It reveals the possibility that the reason Missandei stays with Daenerys, at least initially, has more to do with wanting to stay near her brothers than, say, saving the world. Now, it may be a bit of both, but when you think about it, you realize that Missandei just met Dany, she doesn’t know anything about her, she’s ten years old, and it’s probably more about staying near her brothers.

Many of Dany’s followers become her followers incidentally, or for a reason unrelated to freeing slaves. And each observation like that pokes a pin hole in the initial Dany-is-a-savior narrative. Many of her followers aren’t following her because they believe in her cause. Some just want revenge against Westeros, some want her affection, some just have nowhere else to go, some don’t know what freedom is, and this one has brothers in her army.

Anyway, Dany kinda forgot to officially set Missandei free in the show, which must have been really awkward for Missandei.

And then there’s the last part. Valar Morghulis. There are only two meanings of the word men. One means male humans and the other means all humans. The meaning in the phrase “All men must die” is obviously all humans, but the writers had Dany deliberately re-interprate it as male humans. It’s a favorite trick of feminists to inject their claim that society is a corrupt patriarchy into otherwise benign language. It says ‘It’s okay when men die because dying is what men are for.’ But as you can see, this garbage does not come out of Dany’s mouth in the books.

Thanks for watching.

 


Updated Oct 13, 2022 – Embedded video

Scene to Scene S3E7 – Daenerys at Yunkai

Transcript of Scene to Scene S3E7 – Daenerys at Yunkai

Hey guys. Welcome to scene to scene, the series where I compare one scene in the tv show and the same scene in the books. Don’t worry, I’ll read it to ya. And then I’ll compare them, and talk about what’s the same, what’s different, and why. Let’s do it. Game of Thrones is up first.

Missandei: Now comes the noble Razdal mo Eraz of that ancient and honorable house, master of men and speaker to savages, to offer terms of peace. Noble lord, you are in the presence of Daenerys Stormborn of House Targaryen, Queen of the Andals and the First Men, Khaleesi of the Great Grass Sea, Breaker of Chains, and Mother of Dragons.

Daenerys: You may approach. Sit.

Missandei: Will the noble lord take refreshment?

Razdal: Ancient and glorious is Yunkai. Our empire was old before dragons stirred in old Valyria. Many an army has broken against our walls. You shall find no easy conquest here, khaleesi.

Daenerys: Good. My Unsullied need practice. I was told to blood them early.

Razdal: If blood is your desire, blood shall flow. But why? ‘Tis true you have committed savageries in Astapor. But the Yunkai’i are a forgiving and generous people. The wise masters of Yunkai have sent a gift for the silver queen. There is far more than this awaiting you on the deck of your ship.

Daenerys: My ship?

Razdal: Yes, khaleesi. As I said, we are a generous people. You shall have as many ships as you require.

Daenerys: And what do you ask in return?

Razdal: All we ask is that you make use of these ships. Sail them back to Westeros where you belong and leave us to conduct our affairs in peace.

Daenerys: I have a gift for you as well. Your life.

Razdal: My life?

Daenerys: And the lives of your wise masters. But I also want something in return. You will release every slave in Yunkai. Every man, woman, and child shall be given as much food, clothing, and property as they can carry as payment for their years of servitude. Reject this gift, and I shall show you no mercy.

Razdal: You are mad. We are not Astapor or Qarth.We are Yunkai and we have powerful friends. Friends who would take great pleasure in destroying you. Those who survive, we shall enslave once more. Perhaps we’ll make a slave of you as well.

Drogon roars at him.

Razdal: You swore me safe conduct.

Daenerys: I did, but my dragons made no promises. And you threatened their mother.

Razdal: Take the gold.

Daenerys: My gold. You gave it to me, remember? And I shall put it to good use. You’d be wise to do the same with my gift to you. Now get out.

Barristan: The Yunkish are a proud people. They will not bend.

Daenerys: And what happens to things that don’t bend? He said he had powerful friends. Who was he talking about?

Jorah: I don’t know.

Daenerys: Find out.

Alright. Now here’s the same scene from A Song of Ice and Fire.

The envoys from Yunkai arrived as the sun was going down; fifty men on magnificent black horses and one on a great white camel. Their helms were twice as tall as their heads, so as not to crush the bizarre twists and towers and shapes of their oiled hair beneath. They dyed their linen skirts and tunics a deep yellow, and sewed copper disks to their cloaks.

The man on the white camel named himself Grazdan mo Eraz. Lean and hard, he had a white smile such as Kraznys had worn until Drogon burned off his face. His hair was drawn up in a unicorn’s horn that jutted from his brow, and his tokar was fringed with golden Myrish lace. “Ancient an glorious is Yunkai, the queen of cities,” he said when Dany welcomed him to her tent. “Our walls are strong, our nobles proud and fierce, our common folk without fear. Ours is the blood of ancient Ghis, whose empire was old when Valyria was yet a squalling child. You were wise to sit and speak, Khaleesi. You shall find no easy conquest here.”

“Good. My Unsullied will relish a bit of a fight.” She looked to Grey Worm, who nodded.

Grazdan shrugged expansively. “If blood is what you wish, let it flow. I am told you have freed your eunuchs. Freedom means as much to an Unsullied as a hat to a haddock.” He smiled at Grey Worm, but the eunuch might have been made of stone. “Those who survive we shall enslave again, and use to retake Astapor from the rabble. We can make a slave of you as well, do not doubt it. There are pleasure houses in Lys and Tyrosh where men would pay handsomely to bed the last Targaryen.”

“It is good to see you know who I am,” said Dany mildly.

“I pride myself on my knowledge of the savage senseless west.” Grazdan spread his hands, a gesture of conciliation. “And yet, why should we speak thus harshly to one another? It is true that you committed savageries in Astapor, but we Yunkai’i are a most forgiving people. Your quarrel is not with us, Your Grace. Why squander your strength against our mighty walls when you will need every man to regain your father’s throne in far Westeros? Yunkai wishes you only well in that endeavor. And to prove the truth of that, I have brought you a gift.” He clapped his hands, and two of his escort came forward bearing a heavy cedar chest bound in bronze and gold. They set it at her feet. “Fifty thousand golden marks,” Grazdan said smoothly. “Yours, as a gesture of friendship from the Wise Masters of Yunkai. Gold given freely is better than plunder bought with blood, surely? So I say to you, Daenerys Targaryen, take this chest, and go.”

Dany pushed open the lid of the chest with a small slippered foot. It was full of gold coins, just as the envoy said. She grabbed a handful and let them run through her fingers. They shone brightly as they tumbled and fell; new minted, most of them, stamped with a stepped pyramid on one face and the harpy of Ghis on the other. “Very pretty. I wonder how many chests like this I shall find when I take your city?”

He chuckled. “None, for that you shall never do.”

“I have a gift for you as well.” She slammed the chest shut. “Three days. On the morning of the third day, send out your slaves. All of them. Every man, woman, and child shall be given a weapon, and as much food, clothing, coin, and goods as he or she can carry. These they shall be allowed to choose freely from among their masters’ possessions, as payment for their years of servitude. When all the slaves have departed, you will open your gates and allow my Unsullied to enter and search your city, to make certain none remain in bondage. If you do this, Yunkai will not be burned or plundered, and none of your people shall be molested. The Wise Masters will have the peace they desire, and will have proved themselves wise indeed. What say you?”

“I say, you are mad.”

“Am I?” Dany shrugged, and said, “Dracarys.”

The dragons answered. Rhaegal hissed and smoked, Viserion snapped, and Drogon spat swirling red-black flame. It touched the drape of Grazdan’s tokar, and the silk caught in half a heartbeat. Golden marks spilled across the carpets as the envoy stumbled over the chest, shouting curses and beating at his arm until Whitebeard flung a flagon of water over him to douse the flames. “You swore I should have safe conduct!” the Yunkish envoy wailed.

“Do all the Yunkai’i whine so over a singed tokar? I shall buy you a new one … if you deliver up your slaves within three days. Elsewise, Drogon shall give you a warmer kiss.” She wrinkled her nose. “You’ve soiled yourself. Take your gold and go, and see that the Wise Masters hear my message.”

Grazdan mo Eraz pointed a finger. “You shall rue this arrogance, whore. These little lizards will not keep you safe, I promise you. We will fill the air with arrows if they come within a league of Yunkai. Do you think it is so hard to kill a dragon?”

“Harder than to kill a slaver. Three days, Grazdan. Tell them. By the end of the third day, I will be in Yunkai, whether you open your gates for me or no.” (ASOS Daenerys IV)

Alright, let’s get the little stuff out of the way. There’s no white camel. No black horses. But I don’t really care about that stuff very much. I want to get to the actual dilemmas in the scene, because the dilemmas are what constitute the themes and the morals of the story and all that good stuff that I like.

In both the show and the books, Dany’s got style. The scenes are mostly the same in a big picture kind of way. It goes like this: Dany comes to conquer Yunkai and liberate its slaves. Grazdan – an envoy of Yunkai – comes to speak with Dany with the agreement that he won’t be harmed, in the hopes that they can resolve things non-violently. They exchange some pointed words. The envoy offers her gold to fuck off. Dany refuses and offers peace on the condition that Yunkai frees its slaves and surrenders. The envoy refuses and calls her mad. The dragon gets aggressive and scares him. And that’s pretty much the gist of it.

In both the show and the books, there’s a surface level interpretation that goes like this: Dany is is a badass good guy and Grazdan is a cowardly bad guy. And that surface interpretation is, I would say, successfully hiding a more morally complex interpretation in which, upon closer inspection, Dany is being kind of bad.

That’s the right dynamic that the scene needed to hit, so on a big picture front, I think they did an okay job with this scene.

The biggest change is there’s no dragon attack. Dany ordered Drogon to shoot fire at him while he’s under a peace banner, and that’s supposed to be why she’s the real bad guy in the scene. But they took it out. Maybe they thought it would’ve made her arc too obvious.

The big dilemma of the scene was removed, and it was replaced with poor substitutes. Dany is brandishing her dragons a little bit, which is threatening and more than mildly unacceptable, but not remotely comparable to the Dracarys she ordered in the books.

There’s a possible dilemma when she takes the gold. But it’s questionable whether or not that’s even a dilemma because he did say it was a gift. Even though gift is obviously pretense for bribe here, maybe we could say Dany got him fairly on the grounds that his discretion to not call a bribe a bribe is either cowardice or misplaced with Daenerys.

Now, Grazdan does make the same threat to Dany in the books. “We’ll make a slave of you as well.” But in the books the threat happens way earlier, during the verbal sparring match. Now we can see what the TV show did with it. They moved the threat closer to the dragon’s response in order to make the dragon’s response seem justified. When originally, this line wasn’t so much of a threat as it was pre-fight trash talk. And then the show used that threat as Dany’s justification for this weak loophole in the rules about safe conduct, saying ‘Aha! I promised you safe conduct, but my dragons didn’t.’

In the books, it’s a scene in which Dany crosses the line of acceptable behavior and has to walk it back by saying ‘I’ll buy you new clothes,’ perhaps realizing that Barristan doesn’t approve of the burning, because Barristan contradicts Dany’s orders by putting the fire out. And that Barristan might be having Mad King flashbacks.

And in the show it’s a scene in which Dany comes close the line, but upon a closer look, the things that seemed like dilemmas were not really dilemmas at all, and Dany hasn’t crossed the line.

Grazdan is obviously the unfavorite here, because we haven’t met him and he’s a slave master. But I notice in the books that often Dany’s enemies make at least one really good point that she overlooks. With Grazdan, I think the one good point he makes is that “freedom means as much to an Unsullied as a hat to haddock,” which is a fish. The torturous training that the Unsullied endure is meant to condition them out of their desire for freedom and into absolute obedience. The observation calls into question whether the freed Unsullied are staying with Dany because they care about her cause, or because they don’t understand freedom and don’t have anywhere else to go. It puts a subtle damper on the narrative that Dany tells herself, that she’s the benevolent liberator of the world rather than, say, the naive terror of the region.

Grazdan’s point didn’t make it into the show. But I think it would have been a simple and important inclusion.

Well, those are some of my thoughts. But I try to remember that it’s always easier to criticize a thing than to make a thing.

Tyrion: He’s not kind.

Thanks for watching.


Updated Oct 13, 2022 – Embedded video

Raised By Wolves

In A Clash of Kings, Arya and Yoren’s group of Night’s Watch recruits are on the run from the goldcloaks. Yoren’s group stops at the Ivy Inn on the Kingsroad, and the patrons at the inn tell a very interesting story about wolves!

“It’s been a bad year for wolves,” volunteered a sallow man in a travelstained green cloak. “Around the Gods Eye, the packs have grown bolder’n anyone can remember. Sheep, cows, dogs, makes no matter, they kill as they like, and they got no fear of men. It’s worth your life to go into those woods by night.”

“Ah, that’s more tales, and no more true than the other.”

“I heard the same thing from my cousin, and she’s not the sort to lie,” an old woman said. “She says there’s this great pack, hundreds of them, mankillers. The one that leads them is a she-wolf, a bitch from the seventh hell.”

A she-wolf. Arya sloshed her beer, wondering. Was the Gods Eye near the Trident? She wished she had a map. It had been near the Trident that she’d left Nymeria. She hadn’t wanted to, but Jory said they had no choice, that if the wolf came back with them she’d be killed for biting Joffrey, even though he’d deserved it. They’d had to shout and scream and throw stones, and it wasn’t until a few of Arya’s stones struck home that the direwolf had finally stopped following them. She probably wouldn’t even know me now, Arya thought. Or if she did, she’d hate me.

The man in the green cloak said, “I heard how this hellbitch walked into a village one day… a market day, people everywhere, and she walks in bold as you please and tears a baby from his mother’s arms. When the tale reached Lord Mooton, him and his sons swore they’d put an end to her. They tracked her to her lair with a pack of wolfhounds, and barely escaped with their skins. Not one of those dogs came back, not one.”

“That’s just a story,” Arya blurted out before she could stop herself. “Wolves don’t eat babies.”

“And what would you know about it, lad?” asked the man in the green cloak.

Before she could think of an answer, Yoren had her by the arm. “The boy’s greensick on beer, that’s all it is.”

“No I’m not. They don’t eat babies…”

“Outside, boy . . . and see that you stay there until you learn to shut your mouth when men are talking.” (ACOK Arya II)

I think most people will agree that the implication the author is making here is that the hellbitch is Nymeria! I think most readers will also tend to side with Arya in this argument here too, because the Stark Direwolves haven’t been characterized as the types to eat babies. In fact, they’re characterized to be very intelligent and aware to a supernatural degree. The methodical way that Nymeria entered the town and retrieved the baby suggests that it was done deliberately.

So my burning questions are:

  • Who is the baby?
  • Why is it important to Nymeria?
  • Why is it important to GRRM?
  • If Nymeria is not eating the baby, where is she taking it?
  • Is somebody influencing or working with Nymeria?

Before I get to any of that, I need to make the case for why I think this unbelievable story is absolutely true.

Tall Tales

At first glance, the story about the wolves seems like the kind of embellished gossip that drunk and bored smallfolk like to tell. But thankfully, there are some other instances throughout the story where characters tell embellished stories. We can analyze those and compare them to one another and to the wolf story to find how the situations are the same or different. In the vein of The Text Defines the Text, I’m going to make the fairest interpretation that I can manage of all the events, and then I will let the differences between the interpretations determine for me whether or not the wolf story is credible.

 

Sansa the Vampire

In the aftermath of King Joffrey’s death, Sansa escapes King’s Landing with the help of Littlefinger. The news of Sansa’s escape eventually travels to Sandor and Arya at the Inn at the Crossroads. Here is Polliver’s description.

“I forgot, you’ve been hiding under a rock. The northern girl. Winterfell’s daughter. We heard she killed the king with a spell, and afterward changed into a wolf with big leather wings like a bat, and flew out a tower window. But she left the dwarf behind and Cersei means to have his head.”

From Sansa’s POV we can see that Sansa isn’t a wolf with big leather wings, so she must have transformed back to her human form.

This tall tale seems to have been warped by the embellishments of bored smallfolk and/or perhaps the misrepresentations of royal propaganda. On the bored smallfolk side of things, maybe Sansa’s wolf-bat transformation is derived from Sansa’s heritages in both House Stark (wolf) and House Whent (bat). On the royal propaganda side of things, maybe Cersei and the ruling House Lannister want to control the narrative of political events and how the smallfolk understand them. So Sansa’s escape gets characterized as a sign of her guilt and involvement in murdering the king. What better way to demonize a person than to turn her into a literal demon in the story?

The most fantastic part of this tall tale is the transformation from human to bat. While the story is partially true in that the Lannisters are no longer in possession of Sansa, I’m able to completely discredit the most fantastic part of the story because, of course, a human can’t transform into a bat. I could look elsewhere in the story for a precedent where a human transforms into a bat, but I’ve read this story a few times and I think I would remember that!

So in summary, the bat transformation is completely falsifiable to the reader and the reader is able to falsify it due to the constraints of reality.

 

Robb the Werewolf

At White Harbor, Davos treats with Lord Manderly at his Merman’s Court. Also in attendance are three members of House Frey who have brought the remains of Lord Manderly’s son Wendel.

The enormity of the lie made Davos gasp. “Is it your claim that Robb Stark killed Wendel Manderly?” he asked the Frey.

“And many more. Mine own son Tytos was amongst them, and my daughter’s husband. When Stark changed into a wolf, his northmen did the same. The mark of the beast was on them all. Wargs birth other wargs with a bite, it is well-known. It was all my brothers and I could do to put them down before they slew us all.”

The man was smirking as he told the tale. Davos wanted to peel his lips off with a knife.

“Ser, may I have your name?”

“Ser Jared, of House Frey.”

“Jared of House Frey, I name you liar.” (ADWD Davos III)

Jared’s version of the Red Wedding seems to be that, when House Frey killed Robb, it was an act of self-defense against Robb’s wolf transformation and the wolf transformations of Robb’s men.

This tall tale has been embellished by the Freys for the purpose of denying their involvement in Wendel Manderly’s death and winning Lord Manderly to the side of the crown.  The story is partially true in that Jared’s son Tytos did, in fact, die in the battle at the Red Wedding and Robb was, in fact, a warg. What better way to rewrite the narrative than to turn Robb and his men into literal monsters? Well, Davos isn’t convinced. And I don’t imagine Tytos’s death is the cause of Jared’s smirking lips here.

The most fantastic part of this tall tale is the transformation from humans to wolves. Or maybe it’s the contagious property of the transformative ability. Either way,  I’m able to completely discredit the most fantastic part of the story because, of course, a human can’t transform into a wolf.

So in summary, the wolf transformation is completely falsifiable to the reader and the reader is able to falsify it due to the constraints of reality. I haven’t seen any werewolves yet in ASOIAF, so there isn’t a precedent to support this werewolf.

 

Nymeria the Kidnapper

Now that I’m armed with two precedents of embellished tall tales, I’m ready to revisit the wolf story!

The most fantastic and unbelievable part of this tale is the calculated manner in which Nymeria behaves.

The man in the green cloak said, “I heard how this hellbitch walked into a village one day… a market day, people everywhere, and she walks in bold as you please and tears a baby from his mother’s arms. When the tale reached Lord Mooton, him and his sons swore they’d put an end to her. They tracked her to her lair with a pack of wolfhounds, and barely escaped with their skins. Not one of those dogs came back, not one.”

A giant wolf walked into a busy village on a market day. Then she passed up the opportunity to eat any of the other humans in her path. And then she tore a baby from its mother’s arms.

I can see in other chapters that wolves don’t typically discriminate between prey. That is to say, a hungry wolf is just as happy to eat a baby as an adult, a woman as a man, the old as the young.

“You found a body?”

So Nymeria’s preference toward the baby is immediately suspicious for that reason.

If The Law of Conservation of Characters is true, then the question I should be asking myself at this point is: Why would the author leave the fate of the baby unclear? Or rather, in what way does leaving the fate of the baby unclear serve a purpose to tell the bigger story?

Notice that there is nothing happening in the wolf story that contradicts reality as we know it. There aren’t any physics-defying transformations or magic spells. It’s perfectly possible in the realm of physical ASOIAF reality that Nymeria can tear a baby from its mother’s arms and not eat it.

So in summary, the reader is completely unable to falsify the kidnapping because it doesn’t conflict with the constraints of reality. Therefore I’m not justified to say that the wolf story is embellished.

In my opinion, Nymeria stole that baby! The wolf story at the Ivy Inn is foreshadowing the significance of the baby in the bigger story.

Just for fun, I’ll point out that Martin is on record saying that his favorite Disney movie is The Jungle Book, a story about a boy raised by wolves!

 

 

Oct 7 2019

“My old ma used to say that giant bats flew out from Harrenhal on moonless nights, to carry bad children to Mad Danelle for her cookpots. Sometimes I’d hear them scrabbling at the shutters.” She sucked her teeth a moment, thoughtful. “What goes in its place?”

The Fiery Stallion

This was an experiment of a hypothesis using The Text Defines the Text. I think a certain conversation that happened between Stannis and Davos may be a metatextual signpost of how hypothetical prophecies work in this story. When that precedent is applied to the visions in the House of the Undying, one vision stands out!

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Visions, dreams and prophecies all serve a similar purpose in ASOIAF, as far as I can tell. They foreshadow future events in coded imagery, language and theme. I imagine that if this story were a game of pool between the author and the reader, a prophetic or dreamy phrase like “salt and smoke” or “fiery stallion” is often akin to “eight ball corner pocket.” I think Martin knows what’s going to happen in broad terms with the future of his story and characters, though he probably doesn’t always know precisely how. What I think he does know, however, is that when it comes time to write the conclusion to the mystery that he foreshadowed so long ago, he absolutely must find a way to insert the coded imagery, language or theme into the event. Otherwise those wonderful superfluous descriptions will remain superfluous, having never been imbued with consequence and thus never transformed into foreshadowing.

Of course, this presupposes that all visions, dreams and prophecies come true. And I believe they absolutely do always come true in fantasy, with rare exceptions and with an often metaphorical definition of truth.

I lay out my perspective on visions to provide full disclosure of my stance on them, which might help put my approach to the Fiery Stallion inconsistency into context. So let’s jump right into the House of the Undying shall we?

I’m going to list every vision that Daenerys sees in the House of the Undying and match each one of them to one of these two state:

(A) I can see how this may foretell past, present or future events.

(B) I can not see how this may foretell past, present or future events.

In the halls and corridors

  1. A beautiful, naked woman being ravished by four little men who resemble the dwarf servitor. – Some people think the woman represents Westeros and the four little dwarves represent the Kings claimant as they tear Westeros apart through warfare. I like that interpretation but I don’t love it for various reasons. Either way we can see how this may foretell past events. (A)

  2. A feast of slaughtered corpses holding cups, spoons, and food, with a dead man with a wolf’s head sitting on a throne wearing an iron crown, apparently foreshadowing the Red Wedding. – I’m copying these from the wiki and I think the wiki’s interpretation is correct. This is clearly the red wedding, so we can see how this foretells actual past, present or future events. (A)

  3. Daenerys’ childhood home with the red door in Braavos. – Dany thinks about her red door often. (A)

  4. A throne room with dragon skulls on the walls where a king resembling Aerys II Targaryen sits on a barbed throne and appears to give the order to burn the Red Keep during the Sack of King’s Landing. – Jaime saw this actually happen. (A)

  5. A room where a silver-haired man (presumably Rhaegar Targaryen) names his son Aegon, says the child is “the prince that was promised”, then plays a harp. – Only one silver-haired man in the story is known to have an interest in both prophecies and harps. I’m on board with the general consensus that this is Rhaegar and it is a vision of something that actually happened. (A)

  6. A “splendor of wizards” who falsely claim to be the Undying of Qarth and offer to teach Daenerys the secret speech of dragonkind. – This seems like a temptation of the present to me. (A)

In the final room

7. Viserys Targaryen’s gruesome death. (A)

8. A tall lord with copper-skin and silver-gold hair beneath a banner of a fiery stallion, with a burning city in the background (this may be a glimpse at what Rhaego’s future would have been). – Rhaego seems to be the general consensus. I’m more skeptical of his identity but I like that interpretation. However, this event is one that we know cannot possibly happen in the past, present or future because Rhaego is dead. (B)

9. A dying prince (likely Rhaegar Targaryen) mutters a woman’s name with his last breath, rubies flying from his chest. – Courtesy of Robert’s Hammer. Yep this is Rhaegar again. (A)

10. A blue-eyed king who casts no shadow raises a red sword in his hand. – Definitely Stannis, in my opinion. Melisandre has drained him of shadows and turned them into shadow assassins. (A)

11. A cloth dragon sways on poles amidst a cheering crowd. – I think most people go with the mummer’s dragon interpretation. I like the idea that it could be Aegon or fAegon but I’m not remotely convinced that it is. Either way there are a number of ways this language and imagery could meaningfully manifest, so this is an (A)

12. A great stone beast takes wing from a smoking tower, breathing shadows. – This is similar to 11. There are a number of ways this could manifest. Is it a dragon? A griffon? A greyscale victim in metaphor? Is the tower at Oldtown? Dragonstone? Who knows? (A)

13. Daenerys’s silver trots through grass to a darkling stream under a sea of stars. – This is probably far more significant than it seems. The innocent looking ones often are. Either way, I’m sure Silver has already trotted under stars at some point in Dany’s travels, and will likely star-trot again. (A)

14. A corpse standing at the prow of a ship with bright eyes and grey smiling lips. – Most people seem to think this is Euron or Aeron, or that the vision at least has a strong connection with House Greyjoy. I tend to agree, but I wouldn’t plant my flag into House Greyjoy just yet. While the language certainly echos Greyjoy motifs like ships, corpses and eyes, it’s still abstract enough that those things could belong to anyone or be anything. Either way, there’s no reason these things couldn’t happen or haven’t already happened. (A)

15. A blue flower growing from a chink in a wall of ice, filling the air with sweetness. (This could indicate Jon Snow’s true parentage and potential kinship to Daenerys) – The Jon interpretation is unanimously agreed upon. I’ll spare you my reservations but yeah, it seems like it is meant to represent Jon at the Wall while inciting blue flower imagery from the Tourney at Harrenhal, thus assisting the reader to connect Jon to Lyanna. (A)

So what do you think? Is it weird that the Fiery Stallion is the only vision in the House of the Undying that foretells a parallel hypothetical universe? Is it weird that the Fiery Stallion is the only vision in the entire series that foretells a parallel hypothetical universe? Do you think this foreshadowing could still be consequential to the story somehow? Would Martin write foreshadowing that is inconsequential to the story?

The way that a vision or prophecy differs from normal foreshadowing is that it announces itself. With the announcement, I don’t have to wait for the foreshadowing to resolve into consequences in order to be justified in calling it foreshadowing. As far as I can tell, all prophecies, dreams and visions are foreshadowing.

I don’t think Martin is likely to write foreshadowing that is inconsequential to the story, and certainly not in a vision or prophecy. I’d like to build a case, if you’re interested.

The surface interpretation of ASOIAF functions as a guide or a key to unlocking the mysteries, or the meta interpretation. Let me give a quick example. In Catelyn’s memories in AGOT she once asked Ned about Jon’s parentage. Ned replied that “he is my blood.” If Jon is the son of Lyanna, then “he is my blood” is technically a true statement, even though Catelyn clearly comes away from the situation with untruth, believing that Jon is Ned’s son rather than his nephew. I’ve taken to calling this sort of thing Truth in Some Interpretation is Truth.

Since the reader has the advantage of knowing the whole story, we can play the role of god. Or we can at least claim that we are in the ideal position to make a moral judgement about the characters. As judge, do you consider Ned’s words to be a lie or a truth?

Whatever you decide, ASOIAF is signaling to us that, as far as mysteries go, Ned’s words are true enough. This kind of lie is FAIR PLAY in the game of ASOIAF mysteries, and we will need to watch out for this type of trick if we want to figure the mysteries out.

From what I can tell, Martin seems to have an enormous understanding and respect for fair play with regards to mysteries. So for the purposes of this post I ask you to grant that Martin does not cheat by writing unsolvable mysteries. Adequate clues are always responsibly placed somewhere in the text.

Now to bring this all home with regards to the Fiery Stallion, I want to show you the only other example I can think of in the books where a vision, dream or prophecy portrays a hypothetical universe rather than the current home universe where our story takes place.

On Dragonstone, Melisandre tells Stannis of two futures she has seen in her flames; One in which Stannis is defeated in King’s Landing by his brother Renly, and one in which he sails to Renly’s seat, Storm’s End, where his brother shall die, and his men will flock to Stannis.

The second vision comes true. Renly is slain by a shadow conjured by Melisandre near Storm’s End and then Renly’s men flock to Stannis.

Now that Renly is dead, look at what Stannis says about the alternate future from the vision.

Stannis shifted in his seat, frowning. “Was, would have, what is that? He did what he did. He came here with his banners and his peaches, to his doom . . . and it was well for me he did. Melisandre saw another day in her flames as well. A morrow where Renly rode out of the south in his green armor to smash my host beneath the walls of King’s Landing. Had I met my brother there, it might have been me who died in place of him.”

“Or you might have joined your strength to his to bring down the Lannisters,” Davos protested. “Why not that? If she saw two futures, well . . . both cannot be true.”

King Stannis pointed a finger. “There you err, Onion Knight. Some lights cast more than one shadow. Stand before the nightfire and you’ll see for yourself. The flames shift and dance, never still. The shadows grow tall and short, and every man casts a dozen. Some are fainter than others, that’s all. Well, men cast their shadows across the future as well. One shadow or many. Melisandre sees them all.” (ACOK Davos II)

The characters are literally debating how a vision of a hypothetical universe works. Stannis and Davos think that the second vision coming true has prevented the first vision from coming true, which is a logical conclusion because, of course, how could Renly defeat Stannis at King’s Landing when Renly is dead?

Here’s how.

During the Battle of the Blackwater, Ser Garlan Tyrell, dressed in the recognizable armor of the deceased Renly, leads the vanguard and plunges through Stannis’s army. Renly’s former supporters who had joined Stannis after Renly’s death become convinced that their dead lord has returned and abandon Stannis by the hundreds.

So you see, both visions achieved metaphorical truth! This is the guide for how to interpret visions and prophecies that seem to take place in hypothetical universes. There AREN’T any visions that take place in hypothetical universes. When a vision seems to take place in a hypothetical universe, the seeming is wrong. Every vision foretells some truth or event that will occur or has occurred in the home universe.

When we apply that lesson to the Fiery Stallion, viola.

Whatever the identity of the copper-skinned man with silver-gold hair, that vision is either already true or going to come true either literally or metaphorically, burning city and all.

What does that mean, then? That Rhaego is alive? That Dany had twins and the other baby is alive? That the story will continue for another eighteen years into the baby’s adulthood? This all seems a bit much…

Yeah, I don’t know how it would come true. But sometimes the best prophecies are the ones that I can’t imagine how they would come true. Through some interpretive scheme, perhaps part literal and part metaphorical, I think the Fiery Stallion vision will achieve truth in the home universe before the story ends.

Now I want to present a very strong point against this hypothesis! Followed by my counterpoint to it.

“Within, you will see many things that disturb you. Visions of loveliness and visions of horror, wonders and terrors. Sights and sounds of days gone by and days to come and days that never were. Dwellers and servitors may speak to you as you go. Answer or ignore them as you choose, but enter no room until you reach the audience chamber.” -Pyat Pree (ACOK Daenerys IV)

Pyat Pree warns Dany that she will see visions of days that never were. Hypothetical universes! That’s totally crushing for the idea that the Fiery Stallion is a vision of the future.

Counterpoint. In All Prophecies Come True, I talk about the way that Martin imbues Relativity into the plausible interpretations of the magic, fantasy, prophecies and metaphors by surrounding them in ambiguity. He wants to accommodate valid arguments against the notion that anything magical, fantastical, prophetic or metaphorical is happening at all.

So I think that may be what “days that never were” is accomplishing.

And sure enough, when I reference that conversation between Stannis and Davos again, the precedent upon which this whole idea is based, I find that the characters are treading the same difficult territory that I’m treading.

“If she saw two futures, well . . . both cannot be true.”

King Stannis pointed a finger. “There you err, Onion Knight. Some lights cast more than one shadow. Stand before the nightfire and you’ll see for yourself. The flames shift and dance, never still. The shadows grow tall and short, and every man casts a dozen. Some are fainter than others, that’s all. Well, men cast their shadows across the future as well. One shadow or many. Melisandre sees them all.” (ACOK Davos II)

Stannis is not a particularly superstitious man by nature, yet here even Stannis is championing the predictive truth of Melisandre’s visions. The general sentiment being that, however justified our skepticism, we would be fools to doubt the predictive truth of Melisandre’s visions.

And sure enough, that seems to be a recurring thing with Melisandre. In the Girl in Grey prophecy, Jon doubts the predictive truth of Melisandre’s vision. He criticizes her for being wrong and she’s in a hopeless position, unable to prove the validity of her visions to another person until those visions resolve soon and locally. Her own confidence begins to waver, and the tragedy of her situation is that I think she was right the first time, all along. But like with the metaphorical Renly prophecy, she may never get to learn that she was right.

The Little Giant

A Game of Thrones is jam-packed with endings encoded in foreshadowing. There’s a GRRM quote where he pretty much says exactly that, but I can’t be bothered to find it right now. Here is Bran’s first vision/dream thing in the first book. I’m going to be going back and forth between two passages so I’ll add some color.

He looked south, and saw the great blue-green rush of the Trident. He saw his father pleading with the king, his face etched with grief. He saw Sansa crying herself to sleep at night, and he saw Arya watching in silence and holding her secrets hard in her heart. There were shadows all around them. One shadow was dark as ash, with the terrible face of a hound. Another was armored like the sun, golden and beautiful. Over them both loomed a giant in armor made of stone, but when he opened his visor, there was nothing inside but darkness and thick black blood. (AGOT Bran III)

Ned, Sansa and Arya are each in a bad way. They’re surrounded by shadows. I’m going to call them Ash Hound and Sun Armor. Over them both (“both” being Ash Hound and Sun Armor) loomed a giant in armor made of stone. I’m going to call him Stone Giant.

The positioning of the characters seems to be something like this.

StoneGiant

AshHound SunArmor

Ned Arya Sansa

That’s my understanding of the scene anyway. Stone Giant is looming over Ash Hound and Sun Armor who are looming over Ned, Arya and Sansa. Therefore Stone Giant is also looming over Ned, Arya and Sansa.

There is some ambiguity with the giant that I’ll get into later. It isn’t clear if “stone” is describing the giant’s body, the giant’s armor, or both.

“Surrounded” by shadows suggests to me that there are more than just the two. Two people can flank or stand beside you, but it takes more than two people to surround you. In light of that, I think the implication is that there are many shadows and Stone Giant is another one of the shadows.

Stone Giant is bigger or higher than the other shadows, which might suggest that he’s more significant. He’s also a giant, which suggests greater significance too.

The word shadow suggests to me that these figures are negatively aligned with Ned, Sansa and Arya. I don’t want to neglect the possibility that they aren’t negatively aligned, so I’ll mark this as a fork in the road of interpretation that I can return to later.

Initial ideas for Ash Hound’s identity:

  • Sandor Clegane “The Hound”
  • Any of the people who have worn Sandor’s hound helmet
  • Brienne of Tarth “The Beauty”

Initial ideas for Sun Armor’s identity:

  • Jaime Lannister “Kingslayer”
  • Brienne of Tarth “The Beauty”

Initial ideas for Stone Giant’s identity:

  • Gregor Clegane “The Mountain that Rides”

 

One shadow was dark as ash, with the terrible face of a hound.

I think Ash Hound is Sandor. Dark is a fitting description of Sandor’s personality and entire miserable existence. Ash alludes to his fiery trauma. Terrible face alludes to the burns on his face. The face of a hound describes his helmet fashioned in the shape of a snarling hound, as well as the sigil of House Clegane. “Surrounding” the Starks makes me think of the major role Sandor plays in the stories of both Sansa and Arya.

Another was armored like the sun, golden and beautiful.

I don’t have any good leads on the identity of Sun Armor. Jaime comes to mind, but I don’t see how his story is particularly connected to Ned, Arya or Sansa or how he might come to be more connected to them. He’s searching for the girls in order to fulfill his vow to Catelyn, so maybe that’s the connection, but it doesn’t seem very strong to me so far.

Over them both loomed a giant in armor made of stone, but when he opened his visor, there was nothing inside but darkness and thick black blood.

I think Stone Giant is Petyr Baelish. It’s cool and tricky in several different ways.

In the context of a “Hound”, when I hear about a foreboding giant my mind naturally goes to Gregor Clegane. He’s the Hound’s brother, negatively aligned like “shadow” might suggest, and he’s very large like a giant. It’s a comfortable solution that I’m likely to settle upon for a long time, if not forever, which is what a good red herring is supposed to do.

Another way Petyr as the giant is tricky is because he’s small of stature and his nickname is Littlefinger. Of all the people I might consider to be a giant of prophecy, the little man with the little name might be the last person to come to mind.

He may not look as tall or as strong as some, but he is worth more than all of them. Trust in him and do as he says. -Lysa (ASOS Sansa VI)

Yet another way that Petyr as the giant is tricky and cool is because his sigil is a mockingbird. If we look into Petyr’s history we find that Petyr chose the mockingbird sigil to replace the sigil of House Baelish. House Baelish’s original sigil was the head of the Titan of Braavos, because Petyr’s grandfather came from Braavos.

The device painted on the shield was one Sansa did not know; a grey stone head with fiery eyes, upon a light green field. “My grandfather’s shield,” Petyr explained when he saw her gazing at it. “His own father was born in Braavos and came to the Vale as a sellsword in the hire of Lord Corbray, so my grandfather took the head of the Titan as his sigil when he was knighted.”

“It’s very fierce,” said Sansa.

“Rather too fierce, for an amiable fellow like me,” said Petyr. “I much prefer my mockingbird.” (ASOS Sansa VI)

What is the Titan of Braavos? It’s a stone giant in bronze armor that looms over Braavos and everyone who passes beneath him.

one foot planted on each mountain, his shoulders looming tall above the jagged crests.

Over them both loomed a giant

Who passed beneath him? Arya!

His legs bestrode the gap, one foot planted on each mountain, his shoulders looming tall above the jagged crests. His legs were carved of solid stone, the same black granite as the sea monts on which he stood, though around his hips he wore an armored skirt of greenish bronze. His breastplate was bronze as well, and his head in his crested halfhelm. His blowing hair was made of hempen ropes dyed green, and huge fires burned in the caves that were his eyes. One hand rested atop the ridge to his left, bronze fingers coiled about a knob of stone; the other thrust up into the air, clasping the hilt of a broken sword. (AFFC Arya I)

So we have a symbolic Petyr looming over Arya during her time in Braavos while a literal Petyr is looming over Sansa at the Eyrie.

Littlefinger is the second most devious man in the Seven Kingdoms. -Varys (AGOT Eddard XV)

If Varys is a reliable judge of character, then it makes sense why Stone Giant in the vision is bigger or higher than Ash Hound and Sun Armor.

Tangential thoughts: I’m beginning to notice a trend that Martin loves to make the solutions to his prophecies and visions half literal and half metaphorical/symbolic. He did it in the Girl in Grey prophecy a lot. I think the half-literal-half-metaphorical thing might echo the relativistic style with which Martin seems to be crafting this story at every level conceivable. I’m rewarded with a bigger picture of the story when I’m able to reconcile the two seemingly irreconcilable modes of interpretation and marry the literal and the metaphorical.

The Titan of Braavos’s armor is made of bronze, so that may or may not conflict with the Stone Giant depending on how we interpret the vision.

a giant in armor made of stone

Does “stone” describe the giant’s body or the giant’s armor or both? Until a more satisfying solution than Petyr comes to my attention, I’m going with body.

Judging from other visions and prophecies, Martin seems to be very careful with his choice and composition of words. So I tend to think that the ambiguity here is part of the design, specifically for the purpose of causing readers to generate a faulty interpretation and force them to have to re-imagine a new possible meaning of the same language.

a giant, in armor made of stone

a giant in armor, made of stone

Do you see how Petyr as the giant of prophecy creates a meaningful resolution for the vision? First I have to notice a pattern that maybe there is some recurring thing going on with characters rejecting their identities and then meeting unhappy endings. Then I can test it on various characters to see if their unhappy endings were in fact preceded by their rejection of their inherited identity.

“Rather too fierce, for an amiable fellow like me,” said Petyr. “I much prefer my mockingbird.” (ASOS Sansa VI)

The taste of hot blood filled Jon’s mouth, and he knew that Ghost had killed that night. No, he thought. I am a man, not a wolf. (ADWD Jon III)

Then that grants access to the Petyr=Giant interpretation.

“And there it stands, miserable as it is. My ancestral home. It has no name, I fear. A great lord’s seat ought to have a name, wouldn’t you agree? Winterfell, the Eyrie, Riverrun, those are castles. Lord of Harrenhal now, that has a sweet ring to it, but what was I before? Lord of Sheepshit and Master of the Drearfort? It lacks a certain something.” (ASOS Sansa VI)

He hates his heritage and, in this story, that attitude spells trouble for you. Then Petyr=Giant works as a key that unlocks the vision’s meaning.

The reader sets out on his adventure with little or no tools at all. He’s equipped with nothing but faith that the story will be good. His faith compels him to conduct experiments in search of the story’s premises, attempting to use the text to define, contextualize and frame other parts of the text. If the experiment doesn’t reveal something new in the interpretation, then the reader discards the hypothesized premise and tests a different one. If the experiment does reveal something new in the interpretation, then the reader is justified to conduct another experiment using the same hypothesis. If the hypothesized premise continues to prove useful in revealing new truths, then the reader is justified to call the hypothesized premise a premise.

Well, it makes sense in my head anyway.

It all starts from a position of faith. Without a down payment of faith that There is Value in Metaphor, I won’t get anywhere.

Those tools help sophisticate the interpretations and reveal greater truths. A greater truth here being, perhaps, that no matter how nice Littlefinger seems, he is nothing but trouble for the Starks.

but when he opened his visor, there was nothing inside but darkness and thick black blood.

There’s a potential mismatch with the helmets that the giants are wearing. The helmet in Bran’s vision has a visor that is being raised. The helmet on the Titan of Braavos is a crested halfhelm.

when he opened his visor

his head in his crested halfhelm.

The visor and crest isn’t a mismatch because the absence of evidence isn’t evidence of absence. Just because a visor wasn’t mentioned in Arya’s description of the Titan doesn’t mean the Titan doesn’t have a visor. Likewise, just because a crest wasn’t mentioned in Bran’s dream doesn’t mean that the Stone Giant doesn’t have a crest.

The potential for mismatch is the halfhelm, and my lack of knowledge about helms. I don’t know if a helm can have a visor and be a halfhelm at the same time. I’ll ask around though! For now, I’ll let it go.

there was nothing inside but darkness and thick black blood.

I don’t know how a helmet full of darkness and thick black blood relates to Petyr very strongly. He’s a vicious and nefarious man, so it seems to be a match as far as his alignment goes. But it feels weak, unsatisfying, incomplete, and I want more.

I can see how the thick black blood relates to metaphorical Petyr. The Braavosi pour burning pitch out of the Titan and onto enemies who pass beneath it.

Enemy ships can easily be steered onto the rocks by the watchmen inside the Titan, and stones and pots of burning pitch can be dropped onto the decks of any that attempt to pass between the Titan’s legs without leave. This has seldom been necessary, however; not since the Century of Blood has any enemy been so rash as to attempt to provoke the Titan’s wrath. (TWOIAF Braavos)

Granted, the burning pitch seems to come out of the Titan’s crotch rather than the helmet. But then again, it’s a dream, and maybe it’s accurate enough as a symbolic impression.

Petyr is a shadow over Ned because he betrayed Ned.

Littlefinger laughed. “I ought to make you say it, but that would be cruel . . . so have no fear, my good lord. For the sake of the love I bear for Catelyn, I will go to Janos Slynt this very hour and make certain that the City Watch is yours. (AGOT Eddard XIII)

Additionally, Ned survives through his children. So Petyr is a looming giant shadow over Ned’s children and thus over Ned metaphorically as well as literally.

 


 

 

The Ghost of High Heart

“I dreamt a wolf howling in the rain, but no one heard his grief,” the dwarf woman was saying. “I dreamt such a clangor I thought my head might burst, drums and horns and pipes and screams, but the saddest sound was the little bells. I dreamt of a maid at a feast with purple serpents in her hair, venom dripping from their fangs. And later I dreamt that maid again, slaying a savage giant in a castle built of snow.” She turned her head sharply and smiled through the gloom, right at Arya. “You cannot hide from me, child. Come closer, now.” (ASOS Arya VIII)

 

Coming soon

 

 

 

A Blacksmith’s Hands

Here’s a funny interpretation about something Septa Mordane said. Arya is spending the night in an ale house outside a sept in the riverlands. She’s hanging out with Thoros, Beric, and Gendry. It’s the “Are you my mother Thoros” scene. Arya is worried that Robb won’t pay Arya’s ransom because her hair is messy and her nails are dirty. Yeah I know it’s cute as hell.

“I ruined that gown that Lady Smallwood gave me, and I don’t sew so good.” She chewed her lip. “I don’t sew very well, I mean. Septa Mordane used to say I had a blacksmith’s hands.”

Gendry hooted. “Those soft little things?” he called out. “You couldn’t even hold a hammer.”

“I could if I wanted!” she snapped at him. (ASOS Arya VII)

If Gendry and Arya get married one day, her hands will be a blacksmith’s hands. As in, hand in marriage.

There is a whole collection of little things that hint at a romantic future between Arya and Gendry. Here’s the time they had a tickle fight.

“Nice, though. A nice oak tree.” He stepped closer, and sniffed at her. “You even smell nice for a change.”

“You don’t. You stink.” Arya shoved him back against the anvil and made to run, but Gendry caught her arm. She stuck a foot between his legs and tripped him, but he yanked her down with him, and they rolled across the floor of the smithy. He was very strong, but she was quicker. Every time he tried to hold her still she wriggled free and punched him. Gendry only laughed at the blows, which made her mad. He finally caught both her wrists in one hand and started to tickle her with the other, so Arya slammed her knee between his legs, and wrenched free. Both of them were covered in dirt, and one sleeve was torn on her stupid acorn dress. “I bet I don’t look so nice now,” she shouted. (ASOS Arya IV)

Other characters seem to notice the Gendry and Arya chemistry too. Lem warns Gendry to stay away from her. Tom Sevenstrings is singing a song about sex during this scene and he winks at Arya.

Tom was singing when they returned to the hall. (…)

Tom winked at her as he sang:

My featherbed is deep and soft, (…) and me your forest lass. (ASOS Arya IV)

Arya notes several times throughout her story that Gendry is the only one she trusts.

It made her feel bad to hide the truth from Hot Pie, but she did not trust him with her secret. Gendry knew, but that was different. Gendry had his own secret, though even he didn’t seem to know what it was. (ASOS Arya I)

Gendry is offered free sex with Bella but he refuses it in the presence of Arya. Then he inexplicably starts showing his insecurity and perhaps sadness that he isn’t suitable for Arya because she’s highborn and he’s lowborn. Gendry rescued Arya from the advances of a creepy old guy by claiming to be her brother.

“Why did you say that?” Arya hopped to her feet. “You’re not my brother.”

“That’s right,” he said angrily. “I’m too bloody lowborn to be kin to m’lady high.”

Arya was taken aback by the fury in his voice. “That’s not the way I meant it.”

“Yes it is.” He sat down on the bench, cradling a cup of wine between his hands. “Go away. I want to drink this wine in peace. Then maybe I’ll go find that black-haired girl and ring her bell for her.”

“But . . .” (ASOS Arya V)

Arya gets sad when Gendry attempts to leave her.

“I’ll smith for you.” Gendry went to one knee before Lord Beric. “If you’ll have me, m’lord, I could be of use. I’ve made tools and knives and once I made a helmet that wasn’t so bad. One of the Mountain’s men stole it from me when we was taken.”

Arya bit her lip. He means to leave me too. (ASOS Arya VII)

Here’s Gendry showing that he doesn’t like Ned Dayne for some inexplicable reason.

“You have a knife,” Gendry suggested. “If your hair annoys you so much, shave your bloody head.”

He doesn’t like Ned. The squire seemed nice enough to Arya; maybe a little shy, but good-natured. (ASOS Arya VIII)

Perhaps Gendry sees him as a threat as competition for Arya.

“Come south with me, and I’ll teach you how to laugh again,” the king promised. “You helped me win this damnable throne, now help me hold it. We were meant to rule together. If Lyanna had lived, we should have been brothers, bound by blood as well as affection. Well, it is not too late. I have a son. You have a daughter. My Joff and your Sansa shall join our houses, as Lyanna and I might once have done.” (AGOT Eddard I)

I think Robert is going to get his wish, but not with the son and daughter that he expected!

A True Sorcerer

It’s a little suspicious that Illyrio calls Varys a sorcerer in this conversation.

“You are more than a juggler, old friend. You are a true sorcerer. All I ask is that you work your magic awhile longer.” They started down the hall in the direction Arya had come, past the room with the monsters.

On first glance, the sorcerer comment comes across like a compliment. But considering that Varys was mutilated by a sorcerer, I’m not sure that Varys would take this as a compliment. And considering that Illyrio and Varys grew up together, it doesn’t seem unlikely that Illyrio knows about Varys’s mutilation at the hands of a sorcerer.

In that context, it’s strange that Illyrio would make this comment. He should know how offensive it would be to Varys.

This opens up some new possible interpretations. One is that Illyrio had an unfortunate slip of the tongue and he did not mean to tread so close to offending Varys. Varys doesn’t seem to have taken offense.

Another interpretation is that Illyrio meant to cause offense and Varys did not take offense. That seems unlikely to me. Varys and Illyrio seem to get along well.

So now I have to answer the question “Why didn’t Varys take offense?”

One possibility is that Varys’s story about the sorcerer and the mutilation is a lie. Another possibility is that Varys is a true sorcerer.

 

Oct 6 2019

He rubbed at his nose. “So tell me, wizard, where is my innocent maiden wife?” (ASOS Tyrion XI)

Bran Rewrites The Laughing Tree

“No,” said Meera. “That night at the great castle, the storm lord and the knight of skulls and kisses each swore they would unmask him, and the king himself urged men to challenge him, declaring that the face behind that helm was no friend of his. But the next morning, when the heralds blew their trumpets and the king took his seat, only two champions appeared. The Knight of the Laughing Tree had vanished. The king was wroth, and even sent his son the dragon prince to seek the man, but all they ever found was his painted shield, hanging abandoned in a tree. It was the dragon prince who won that tourney in the end.”

“Oh.” Bran thought about the tale awhile. “That was a good story. But it should have been the three bad knights who hurt him, not their squires. Then the little crannogman could have killed them all. The part about the ransoms was stupid. And the mystery knight should win the tourney, defeating every challenger, and name the wolf maid the queen of love and beauty.”

“She was,” said Meera, “but that’s a sadder story.” (ASOS Bran II)
I think Bran’s rewrite might demonstrate poor judgement about how power should be wielded, the value of mercy, foregiveness or something along those lines.